Don't get me wrong, I like both Bette and Joan, even though they're no angels. I don't know the real deal, because I'm not exactly an expert on these women, so keep in mind that I'm only talking about what I see in "Feud", and by no means I'm saying that this is an accurate reflection of the actual events. Anyway, after seeing yesterday's episode, I feel sort of bad for Joan. I mean, her brother was obviously manipulative and hurtful, making fun of her because he was never her mother's favorite child, while he was the "golden boy" (and speaking from experience, this is something that never goes away). Then, we can see the treatment she gets from Bette and Robert, which is downright disrespectful and plain cruel. I mean, we do know that she was eventually left out of the picture in a very humiliating way. Wasn't Joan the one who brought Robert, Bette and her together in the first place? I understand that both Bette and Joan were rivals, but it seems to me like Bette enjoys hurting Joan, more than Joan enjoys playing with Bette.
It's just an impression I get. Maybe I should wait for the show to end to give a final verdict, but so far, this is the impression that I get.
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Reply by ScorpionQ2
on April 20, 2017 at 11:27 AM
Yes I believe exactly this.
That is why I said I have no problem believing all of it, the good and the bad. Great post.
Thanks for the link. Wow, so Chris had some stories to tell too.
"Your granddaughter needs blood and she needs it now. She might die.’ J.C. said, 'She's not my granddaughter. You were adopted.’ I lost my temper and slammed down the phone so hard I broke the receiver. That was it between J.C. and me."
"Now at Chris Crawford's Long Island house no Pepsi-Cola is served."
I can see Chris bugging out over a Pepsi the way Joan bugged out over the wire hangers.
Reply by Poetist
on April 20, 2017 at 9:07 PM
The point is Joan was right, but she should have said that she is not the bio grandmother. Why didn't Chris see this is beyond me? You can't give blood if the donor isn't compatible with the patient. What he probably wanted was a shoulder to lean on at the time, but I don't think Joan had that to give for him.
Me too. Plus, isn't he an alcoholic? I bet he was. He couldn't hold down a job and was on welfare.
Reply by ScorpionQ2
on April 21, 2017 at 10:11 AM
Yes I know and I agree with all of the above.
True.
Reply by tmdb38541732
on April 22, 2017 at 12:39 PM
And I think the real Joan may have been gay. Look at the way Joan is touching her costar in this television interview. It's almost sexual @2:45 https://youtu.be/WW6RxRLLofs
Reply by SkyPowers
on April 22, 2017 at 12:56 PM
I would not conflate the real JC with the real Jessica Lange and her acting talent. Bette Davis was famously quoted, saying "I wouldn't piss on Joan if she was on fire." Joan was indeed a talented actress. Being acknowledged as the most beautiful actress wasn't enough for her. She wanted to be the most talented actress too, the honor bestowed on rival Bette. Mirror mirror on the wall ...
Reply by tmdb38541732
on April 22, 2017 at 12:59 PM
Seems to me from countless television interviews with Bette Davis that Davis was actually more arrogant and egotistical than Joan ever was. Joan had beauty and star power whereas Bette had the awards. Joan's career and Oscar snubs remind me of Leo DiCaprio's career. Talent but not enough recognition from his peers.
Reply by ScorpionQ2
on April 22, 2017 at 2:08 PM
It's possible, ( and if so I don't care) but I don't believe she was gay. That would have been told after all this time and I have never heard that before. I think Joan was just being loving/comforting -maybe her co-star ( who looks to be very young) was nervous (or maybe she herself was- since it was her first TV interview ever .)
Reply by ScorpionQ2
on April 22, 2017 at 2:16 PM
Especially so after she was old.
Yes, from the Feud scene (if true, and I believe it) Bette envied Joan's acknowledgement she received for most beautiful and Joan envied Bette's for most talented. I thought they were both beautiful and both great actresses.
Reply by ScorpionQ2
on April 22, 2017 at 2:18 PM
Leo DiCaprio
Reply by tmdb38541732
on April 22, 2017 at 2:54 PM
Well if that's the case then her being loving towards her very young costar damages the child abuse/bitch label attached to Joan.
Reply by Poetist
on April 23, 2017 at 1:00 AM
I agree, and that was Joan's first TV interview. Plus, she said she was scared, and Joan was holding the interviewer's hand as well. I think there was nerves all around the set, but it didn't come across as anything but nerves and acting motherly.
Reply by ScorpionQ2
on April 23, 2017 at 8:43 AM
That co-star wasn't the one who accused her of being abusive or a bytch. A person can be different things to different people.
Reply by ScorpionQ2
on April 23, 2017 at 9:07 AM
Exactly this.