Another screw-up. A "neutronic storm" is a natural phenomenon, and no natural phenomenon can exceed - or even reach - the speed of light. So the Enterprise could easily escape at Warp 1.
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Reply by Nexus71
on May 8, 2018 at 8:54 PM
Weren't they talking about neutrino's ? Since they travel at almost the speed of light and some researchers have measured(although the measurements were disputed because of faulty equipment) that muon-neutrino's could go faster than the speed of light
Reply by Knixon
on May 8, 2018 at 10:17 PM
Maybe so, but then they can go warp 2. Or warp 3. etc. The idea that any kind of natural space storm could outrun them at warp 4, is pretty ridiculous.
Reply by Nexus71
on May 8, 2018 at 11:06 PM
Hence the term science fiction with the emphasis on fiction.
Reply by Knixon
on May 8, 2018 at 11:16 PM
It's also a question of changing times and available knowledge. Sci-fi writers in the 30s, 40s, 50s, even 60s could arguably be excused for writing "science fiction" stories about canals on Mars full of water and maybe even with boats powered by singing aliens with oars a la Venice, Italy. But sci-fi writers of today, including for TV shows, cannot.
Reply by Nexus71
on May 8, 2018 at 11:31 PM
Well in Generations there were much more glaring mistakes as well, the rocket/missile that was sent to stop the fusion in the Viridian Sun was launched and within seconds the Star dims and to my knowledge the missile didn't have a warp drive so how can it reach the star so fast even with the speed of light it takes about 8 minutes of time for the sun light to reach Earth so it at least should have taken more than 8 minutes for the star to extinct not to mention the fact that Soran and Picard should have frozen instantly when the star dims and let's not get into the whole physics of the Nexus which the writers themselves didn't even understood.Or the whole Genesis wave in TWOK even without Warp speed and with impulse speed it would have been able to outrun the Genesis wave but for the purpose of tension they tend to forget that (since it makes the viewer wander will the crew of Enterprise make and also to give Spock a reason to sacrifice himself giving Trek one of it's most dramatic moments)
Reply by Knixon
on May 9, 2018 at 12:00 AM
Yes, the sun-light type thing has occurred in other shows too. I remember an Outer Limits episode, I think it was - one of the later remakes, not the original series - where some "kids" in a cave did something that was supposed to cause the sun to disappear. Even if that happened, it would have taken 8 minutes for the darkness - or lack-of-sunlight - to be visible from Earth. Even if the reaction on the sun to whatever they did, was instantaneous and didn't also require 8 minutes to get to the sun. But I don't think Outer Limits, even the later versions, were trying to be as accurate as Star Trek has attempted (for good reason, I think). And if they were, it would have been interesting if someone did some number-crunching to see what the effect would be on Earth's orbit if the mass of the sun were to disappear for any length of time.
In Generations, it would have taken a total of at least 16 minutes (assuming the same distance from its sun), even if the missile traveled at the speed of light: something like 8 minutes to get to the sun, and the same again for the result to be visible even if the effect itself were instantaneous. Since they couldn't "waste" that much time in a movie, unless maybe they had something else going on in the meantime - like maybe have the Enterprise dealing with Lursa and B'Etor during that interval - I think they should have changed things about the missile or something, to make more sense.
Reply by Nexus71
on May 11, 2018 at 2:01 AM
Since they couldn't "waste" that much time in a movie, unless maybe they had something else going on in the meantime - like maybe have the Enterprise dealing with Lursa and B'Etor during that interval - I think they should have changed things about the missile or something, to make more sense.
Why not skip the whole Soran plan to extinguish stars to influence the path of the Nexus? why not have Soran buy a a single seat spacecraft and fly himself into the Nexus because in the beginning of the movie they showed you could? Even better would have been dropping the concept of the Nexus so Picard can't make dumb decisions when he is told that he can "go anywhere any time" that I now consider that those TNG movies take place in the "Nexus -timeline".
Reply by Nexus71
on May 11, 2018 at 2:01 AM
Since they couldn't "waste" that much time in a movie, unless maybe they had something else going on in the meantime - like maybe have the Enterprise dealing with Lursa and B'Etor during that interval - I think they should have changed things about the missile or something, to make more sense.
Why not skip the whole Soran plan to extinguish stars to influence the path of the Nexus? why not have Soran buy a a single seat spacecraft and fly himself into the Nexus because in the beginning of the movie they showed you could? Even better would have been dropping the concept of the Nexus so Picard can't make dumb decisions when he is told that he can "go anywhere any time" that I now consider that those TNG movies take place in the "Nexus -timeline".